comment qu'on fait ? .......

..........> pour mettre un nom a une plante carnivore ? d'accord, je prends bien vite mes rêves pour une réalité, mais quelques " spécialiste " du Forumcarnivore se battent pour avoir un rejet de ma Dionée prodige.... plutôt étrange ....
enfin bref, je voudrais juste savoir comment je fais si, demain ou dans 2ans, je veux donner un nom a une plante carenivore qui n'a pas de nom ....merci beaucoup d'avance

lol fait gaffe sa se trouve il veulent pas te dire ce que c'est et elle et rare

demande au gars que je t'avait parlé il saura surement

http://www.carnibase.com/perso/liste.htm

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Tu veux dire pour l'identifier clairement ? C'est ça Arthur ?

Je crois Skynet, qu'Arthur voudrait inventer un cultivar (c'est le terme consacré).

De manière officielle, il faudrait une publication dans une revue adaptée. Je vais essayer de me renseigner.

T'as un nom ? T'as une photo où un lien où elle est déjà ?

Et on peut faire ça ? Sans connaître son origine ?

Si je me souviens bien, il n'y a pas une période à attendre ? Pour voir si des boutures par exemple gardent les propriétés de la plante mère.

Il faut publier un certain nombre de choses comme une description, sa stabilité, son mode de reproduction (souvent uniquement de manière asexuée) etc.
Je fais une enquète.

En attendant Arthur, essais de la multiplier : pour voir si c'est stable/durable, pour éviter un soucis (un parasite ou autre) et pour en faire profiter le forum le moment venu

je suis en plein dedans les boutures de feuilles, divisions ( car c'est une plante qui n'arrête pas de faire des rejeton ! )
je peux voir que les rejet ( encore petit ) porte quelques capacité de la plante mère ( érigé en été, la feuille très près du piège ) et une ou 2 dent fusionées

par contre, pour toutes les personnes qui veulent ma chtite chérie, je fais quoi ?

Attend de voir si il est stable, dépose le nom "Arthur's Jaws" par exemple (c'est un mauvais exemple ) prépare un stock de plantes et passe une annonce de vente.
Il ressemble à quoi au fait ton monstre pour que les gens te le réclame comme ça ?

ba a rien
va voir dans mes photos c'est Dionée que je nomme pour l'instant Cropped tooth, mais apparement ça n'en est pas une ...

Amaury m'avais dit comme nom " Arthurcarni's form" j'adore mais faut trouver un nom français

Donner ton nom à une plante parce que tu l'as acheté en jardinerie et qu'elle avait une particularité interessante, je trouve ça un brin prétentieux, tu n'as pas le mérite (= la chance) de l'avoir obtenue par toi même, donc si tu veux nommer ton cultivar, choisi plutôt un nom sympa, mais sans "Arthur" dedans

je sens un leger "brin" de jalousie au sujet de la chance d'arthur

de nombreux cultivars sont des plantes trouvées au hasard dans la nature, ça ne me choque pas particulièrement

même pas Jloux le Séb
c'est vrai que se n'est pas moi qui l'ai créé, mais se sera plus ou moins moi qui l'aura déciuvert en premier, na !

oui donc je re-pose ma question, plein de gars veulent des rejets de cette plante, je fais quoi ?

Tu attends. C'est plus le moment d'expédier des plantes de toutes manières

le gars me dit que si ... justement, il fait tous ces échanges maintenant .... et puis il ne veut pas me donner des photos des plantes qu'il doit m'envoyer

Admin arthurcarni a écrit:

le gars me dit que si ... justement, il fait tous ces échanges maintenant .... et puis il ne veut pas me donner des photos des plantes qu'il doit m'envoyer

C'est louche...

ba oui un peu ....

oui un conseil oublie le

Pour le nom à déposé, retombe de ton nuage, seul les spécialistes pourront vraiment savoir si cette forme est nouvelle ou non, il y en a tellement qu'il est difficille de savoir de suite!

En fait pour déposé le nom de ton modèle, tu dois la décrire parfaitement et etre sur qu'elle ne ressemble à aucune autre!

Il se peut qu'elle existe déjà mais jamais croisé en vente car rare ou alors sa "fabrication" et assez hasardeuse!

Dans tout les cas, tu as un modèle rare, c'est déjà pas si mal!

Avant d'en distribué à tout va, assurre toi que ce modèle n'est pas unique!

Mail des types qui s'y connaissent avec un max de photos!

Les gars voulant des boutures, risquent de t'en prendre la paternité s'ils l'identifient avant toi!

Bref gardes là pour ta gueule

Etonnamment, il n'y a que 16 cultivars enregistrés dont 1 français, et un modèle breveté ('Royal Red'). Les descriptions sont parfois simplissimes, car des photos sont nécessaires pour déposer un cultivar.
Donc Arthur : c'est possible !

Dionaea ' Akai Ryu ' {R.Gagliardo}
"Growth habit and flower morphology are typical for this species. The leaf petiole, blade and trap exhibit dark maroon to burgundy coloration. Any green coloration has only been noted around the center of the plant in mid-winter. The entire trap, interior and exterior, exhibits dark burgundy coloration throughout the year. Grown under laboratory conditions, where nutrient levels can be comparatively high, the plants still exhibit partial burgundy coloration in the traps and leaf blade."

Dionaea ' Big Mouth ' {T.Camilleri}]"A comparison of a conventional sized trap and the [Dionaea ' Big Mouth ' {T.Camilleri}] variety (sic!) which produces large traps on very short leaves."

Dionaea ' Clayton's Red Sunset ' "This plant is an all red flytrap which I have named [Dionaea ' Clayton's Red Sunset ' {C.Clayton}]. It regularly grows up to 25 cm (10 inches) across, although extremely slowly, and is one of the wonders of the flytrap world. + The features which make this cultivar different from other red flytraps (such as [Dionaea ' Red Dragon ' {R.Gagliardo}] or [Dionaea ' Red Piranha ' {E.Read}] are the following: A)The petioles are almost always long and thin. The other red flytraps have quite wide petioles, especially during the winter. B)During the winter, this cultivar totally loses its leaves, at least when grown in a Mediterranean climate. The other red flytraps retain at least some of their leaves. + C)This plant is totally red, except for the teeth on immature traps, which are yellow. [Dionaea ' Red Dragon ' {R.Gagliardo}] incorporates green as part of its coloration at some time during its growth cycle. D)The color of this cultivar is a deeper, darker red than the other currently named red flytrap cultivars. It becomes almost black in the summer if exposed to full sunlight. E)The marginal spines on this cultivar are normal, and not sawtooth as in [Dionaea ' Red Piranha ' {E.Read}]."

Dionaea ' Clumping Cultivar ' {D'Amato}
"these plants produce clumps of rosetted growing points, which result in a mound of densely packed leaves."

Dionaea ' Cupped Trap ' {S.Stewart}
"It forms traps that are distinct from all other cultivars of this species, in that the traps are fused at the distal end, forming a cupped appearance when the trap is open. (...) The trap cilia on the margins retain their coiled position until after the traps open, displaying the circinate growth form. Despite these mutations, the traps still effectively capture insects."

Dionaea ' Dentate Traps ' {B.Meyers-Rice}
"A wild collected [Dionaea muscipula {Soland. ex Ellis}] plant was selected because its marginal spines were noticeably mutated. Instead of being long and filiform (as is usual), the spines of [Dionaea ' Dentate Traps ' {B.Meyers-Rice}] are short and triangular. This feature is not always apparent on small traps, or those produced early in the season, but the traps on mature plants in full growth are unmistakably dentate."

Dionaea ' Fused Tooth ' {D'Amato}
"A tissue-cultured mutation. The teeth are few and fused together by "webbing." "

Dionaea ' Green Dragon ' {M.Erbacher & M.Stoeckl}
"(...) e.g. again and again one receives plants that display green margins even in adult leaves and under intense sunlight. In this case we are dealing with [Dionaea ' Green Dragon ' {M.Erbacher & M.Stoeckl}]."

Dionaea ' Holland Red ' {M.Erbacher & M.Stoeckl}
"[Dionaea ' Holland Red ' {M.Erbacher & M.Stoeckl}] grows like the nominate form. This plant follows the already described annual cycle. The plant starts in spring with the first set of prostrate leaves with short petioles, after flower these are followed by long petiolate mid- summer leaves, to form the last set of wider short petiolate winter leaves in late summer or autumn. The leaf rosette reaches a diameter of ca. 10 cm and individual traps may attain a size of up to ca. 3 cm. The red colouration of the leaves depends, however, strongly on light conditions. Only plants exposed to full sunlight colour more or less intensely red or red-brown. In winter the plants frequently get green leaf margins or even whole plant portions that do not receive sufficient light remain dark green. As soon as the plants are exposed to more intense sunlight, the colour begins to change to typical again."

Dionaea ' Jaws ' {L.Song}
"I crossed [Dionaea ' Dentate Traps ' {B.Meyers-Rice}], (...) with its marginal tentacles mutated into short teeth, with a plant we grow which is noteworthy for its consistently extra large, moderately red- colored traps. This plant was selected from the seedlings. The margins of the trap are dentate like the pollen parent. Like the seed parent, the traps are consistently large, with good coloration. The plant is vigorous and even though the traps do not have normal cilia, they do trap insects."

Dionaea ' Kinchyaku ' {K.Kondo}
"[Dionaea ' Kinchyaku ' {K.Kondo}] (=means purse), which has imperfect trap closure but somewhat quite similar to [Drosera {L.}] trap movement, was produced by Katsuhiko Kondo using a gene engineering in vitro condition in 1999 and is now under mass propagation."

Dionaea ' Louchapates ' {R.Anfraix }
R.Anfraix, Lyon, FR, from a batch of [Dionaea ' Fused Tooth ' {P.D'Amato}] plants, 2000
Etymology: after the culinary tool of the same shape that is used for serving spaghetti noodles (lire le nom : "louche à pates" )
"Growing within this batch of plants was a small individual that differed from the others by a regular fusion of only a few spines into each of its teeth. The result was that each tooth was about 2 mm wide and was flattened in cross section, in contrast with the normal capillary nature of typical [Dionaea {L.}] plants. The tips of the teeth on this peculiar plant are often are multiply divided, revealing the fused nature of the teeth. The teeth are oriented normally, unlike the distorted positioning as is often observed with [Dionaea ' Fused Tooth ' {P.D'Amato}]. (...) Another peculiarity with [Dionaea ' Louchapates ' {R.Anfraix}] is exhibited near the apex of the trap, opposite the petiole. In normal specimens of [Dionaea {L.}], this region of the leaf lobe margins lacks spines. But in [Dionaea ' Louchapates ' {R.Anfraix}], marginal teeth are present on both lobes, all the way to the midpoint of the two lobe margins. This feature is also seen in [Dionaea ' Cupped Trap ' {S.Stewart}], although that cultivar also has trap that is cupped like a spoon. After three years of cultivation, [Dionaea ' Louchapates ' {R.Anfraix}] has undergone normal dormancies and has been propagated vegetatively. The progeny are showing the same features as the parent plant. This cultivar is not a member of the [Dionaea {L.}] Dentate Traps Group since its teeth originate from a fusion of multiple marginal spines, and are not short and triangular."

Dionaea ' Red Burgundy ' {M.Erbacher & M.Stoeckl}
"The intensely dark red colouration has baptized [Dionaea ' Red Burgundy ' {M.Erbacher & M.Stoeckl}]. The comparatively strong and rapid (for a red cultivar) growth, the trapping leaves up to 5 cm large, and the up to 15 cm long petioles of the summer rosette are typical characteristics. The unusual dark red colour intensity makes this cultivar so exceptional. Even under normal light conditions the plant attains full colouration, which reaches an optimum with increasing sunlight and temperatures. At the end of summer and under corresponding growth conditions the plant colours particularly strongly dark red (burgundy). The winter leaves appearing in autumn are short petioled and wider. Smaller traps are formed and the red colouration retreats due to enhanced chlorophyll production."

Dionaea ' Red Piranha ' {E.Read}
"(...)The plants varied greatly in trap bar (cilia on leaf margin) size and shape, but one plant in particular was just what I wanted. Because it is red and has trap bars that look like piranha teeth, I named it [Dionaea ' Red Piranha ' {E.Read}]. As with other red Venus Flytraps the intensity of red coloration varies according to cultivation and season. It has been noted by growers who cultivate it next to other popular red Venus Flytraps that its red coloration equals, if not supercedes, their red color."

Dionaea ' Red Rosetted ' {D'Amato}
"The leaves are rosetted all year, with deep red interior traps."

Dionaea ' Royal Red ' {AUPBR 464}
"Distinct from other varieties (sic!) of [Dionaea muscipula {Soland. ex Ellis}] in that all parts of the plant, with the exception of the margins of the traps (see fig. 12), are dark red in colour (RHS 59A). [Dionaea muscipula {Soland. ex Ellis}] produces rosettes of petiolate (<= 85mm long), bi-lobed (<= 26mm long * <= 17 mm high), decumbent to erect leaves, the size of which varies with season. Do not exhibit any physical differences to other [Dionaea muscipula {Soland. ex Ellis}]. Green margins and red inner surfaces of the trap are characteristics common to both [Dionaea ' Royal Red ' {AUPBR 464}] and the normal form of [Dionaea muscipula {Soland. ex Ellis}], and it is the colour of the other plant parts which make [Dionaea ' Royal Red ' {AUPBR 464}] distibctive. Plants in winter dormancy and those grown in conditions of low light may lose some of the red pigmentation (as do most other carnivorous plants), but still retain appreciably more red pigment than typical [Dionaea muscipula {Soland. ex Ellis}]."

Dionaea ' Sawtooth ' {B.Meyers-Rice}
"This [Dionaea muscipula {Soland. ex Ellis}] is of uncertain origin, but has been distributed without an established name. As such, the commonly used name [Dionaea ' Sawtooth ' {B.Meyers-Rice}] is being registered. [Dionaea ' Sawtooth ' {B.Meyers-Rice}] is a remarkable plant in the Dionaea Dentate Traps Group {B.Meyers-Rice}. Its marginal trap spines are reduced to small triangular teeth, as in [Dionaea ' Dentate Traps ' {B.Meyers-Rice}]. Unlike that latter cultivar, however, the teeth of [Dionaea ' Sawtooth ' {B.Meyers-Rice}] are frequently minutely divided into two or more tiny teethlets, so the trap has an almost fringed appearance. Late in the season, the interior of the traps may be deeply red, although this is not visible in young traps."

one again for, yeah....je suis un minimum anglophone mais là Mad je préfère quand tu cause en latin

Sorry, c'est en Anglois dans le texte. Je vais faire une fiche Cultivars Enregistrés de dionées, tient ! En français
Et en Allemand, kein problem ?
Pour le Japonais je suis loin de maitriser les bases

il faut l'écrire en anglais

Non, c'est pas nécessaire : certaines descriptions originales sont en allemand. Mais si t'as besoin d'une traduction (pour une publication dans la Carnivorous Plant Newsletter par exemple) je peux te faire ça sans soucis

en gros, faut que j'attende le printemps prochain, pour voir si, après un hiver, la plante est stable, c'est ça ?
après je verrais si elle se reproduit par graines etc ...